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Topic Started: Jun 15 2005, 06:35 AM (875 Views)
BluenoseMo
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Which rag do you think are only too happy to publish an article about the fans' campaign/petition agaist Bowyer ...................................

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/tm_...-name_page.html

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Blacksmith
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Good. I hope Bowyer reads it and decides not to come!
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BluenoseMo
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Nothing against the campaign Blackie - I'm just not surprised which is the only (as far as I know) rag which is prepared to print an article about it. The Mirror love to hate us - and anything which might show us in a bad light.

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Jmackay
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Mo, it is a legitimate news story after all. And the more people who know about the petition the more influence it will have and the more chance it will succeed.

Not much point in a petition if nobody knows about it except the people it's aimed at, is there?


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BluenoseMo
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Nothing wrong - I just wish it was in The Guardian or The Telegraph or .......... ;)

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B25 YEWTREE LOYAL
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Did they print the sign pandiani petition.....no !
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Jmackay
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I take your point.

But you could argue the Mirror is the only paper which is doing its job and has picked up on the story.



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djmmusic
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BluenoseMo
Jun 15 2005, 06:46 AM
Nothing against the campaign Blackie - I'm just not surprised which is the only (as far as I know) rag which is prepared to print an article about it. The Mirror love to hate us - and anything which might show us in a bad light.

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This is showing us in a good light. Fans saying no to players with a proven track record of trouble shows the world that we're not prepared to tolerate it.
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djmmusic
Jun 15 2005, 08:46 AM

This is showing us in a good light. Fans saying no to players with a proven track record of trouble shows the world that we're not prepared to tolerate it. [/QUOTE]
pennant, anybody........?????????
or does our hypocrisy just extend to areas we like/don't like? are we saying drink driving TWICE is acceptable now, and he's forgiven, but bowyer isn't even though it was dealt with by the courts and laws of the land? its time to be consistent, and if you villify one you must villify the other, surely????
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i agree proccy,hence i have vilified neither just made my posts on my opinion of bowyers footballing ability.not good enough,offering nothing more than carter if he was given 38 starts.Brett emerton or steven ried of welshburn would be better options imo
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proccy
Jun 15 2005, 09:41 AM
djmmusic,Jun 15 2005
08:46 AM

This is showing us in a good light. Fans saying no to players with a proven track record of trouble shows the world that we're not prepared to tolerate it.

pennant, anybody........?????????
or does our hypocrisy just extend to areas we like/don't like? are we saying drink driving TWICE is acceptable now, and he's forgiven, but bowyer isn't even though it was dealt with by the courts and laws of the land? its time to be consistent, and if you villify one you must villify the other, surely???? [/QUOTE]
there is a difference here mate,

pennants actions were out of stupidity not thuggery.

bowyer although we dont know all the facts has shown to be a thug, whether you belive he is racist or not his actions are of a violent nature.

i think it's the image of the club people are concerned about.

i'm not making light of the pennant thing at all it was wrong for him to do it all i'm saying is he did'nt go out of his way to hurt anyone on purpose.
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hughesie
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proccy
Jun 15 2005, 09:41 AM
djmmusic,Jun 15 2005
08:46 AM

This is showing us in a good light. Fans saying no to players with a proven track record of trouble shows the world that we're not prepared to tolerate it.

pennant, anybody........?????????
or does our hypocrisy just extend to areas we like/don't like? are we saying drink driving TWICE is acceptable now, and he's forgiven, but bowyer isn't even though it was dealt with by the courts and laws of the land? its time to be consistent, and if you villify one you must villify the other, surely???? [/QUOTE]
sadly though proccy i think it has been made clear by many that it is one rule for bowyer and one rule for pennant

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proccy
Jun 15 2005, 09:41 AM
djmmusic,Jun 15 2005
08:46 AM

This is showing us in a good light. Fans saying no to players with a proven track record of trouble shows the world that we're not prepared to tolerate it.

pennant, anybody........?????????
or does our hypocrisy just extend to areas we like/don't like? are we saying drink driving TWICE is acceptable now, and he's forgiven, but bowyer isn't even though it was dealt with by the courts and laws of the land? its time to be consistent, and if you villify one you must villify the other, surely???? [/QUOTE]
Bowyer still may face charges for his assault on a teammate... so he hasn't quite been through the laws of the land yet??

I vilify him because I don't like him... and quite frankly whether I choose to like him or not is up to me... there are constantly people who go through the court system and their time is spent but this doesn't mean I like them or they are forgiven for what they have done... just means they have been punished...

Question is will I support bowyer in a blues shirt and the answer is yes I will want him to do the best he... however this will not alter my opinion on the person
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Jun 15 2005, 10:13 AM
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I vilify him because I don't like him... and quite frankly whether I choose to like him or not is up to me... there are constantly people who go through the court system and their time is spent but this doesn't mean I like them or they are forgiven for what they have done... just means they have been punished...

Question is will I support bowyer in a blues shirt and the answer is yes I will want him to do the best he... however this will not alter my opinion on the person

good post, i was referring to his "racist" exploits as having gone through the courts not the scrap with dyer. if that had happened on a friday night in any town the cops would just move them on, it was handbags and no more. they just did it in front of 60000 live audience and later millions on telly!!
i agree though, he seems a horrible bloke but if he fires us into europe i wont be complaining either. and i actually think he'll give us something our other midfielders dont - goals......
of course, your opinion on whether you like him or not is down to you and is no business of anybody else.
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proccy
Jun 15 2005, 10:20 AM
jassyblue80
Jun 15 2005, 10:13 AM
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I vilify him because I don't like him... and quite frankly whether I choose to like him or not is up to me... there are constantly people who go through the court system and their time is spent but this doesn't mean I like them or they are forgiven for what they have done... just means they have been punished...

Question is will I support bowyer in a blues shirt and the answer is yes I will want him to do the best he... however this will not alter my opinion on the person

but if he fires us into europe i wont be complaining either. and i actually think he'll give us something our other midfielders dont - goals......

You'll get no complaints from me either ;)
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paddypantsdown
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jassyblue80
Jun 15 2005, 10:43 AM
proccy
Jun 15 2005, 10:20 AM
jassyblue80
Jun 15 2005, 10:13 AM
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I vilify him because I don't like him... and quite frankly whether I choose to like him or not is up to me... there are constantly people who go through the court system and their time is spent but this doesn't mean I like them or they are forgiven for what they have done... just means they have been punished...

Question is will I support bowyer in a blues shirt and the answer is yes I will want him to do the best he... however this will not alter my opinion on the person

but if he fires us into europe i wont be complaining either. and i actually think he'll give us something our other midfielders dont - goals......

You'll get no complaints from me either ;)

So you're a hypocrite then, you sign the petition but will cheer if he gets us into Europe.


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Bluebird
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hughesie Posted on Jun 15 2005, 09:53 AM
sadly though proccy i think it has been made clear by many that it is one rule for bowyer and one rule for pennant

hughesie and proccy....
You are two of a number of people on this Forum who's opinion I respect....
You normally think very rationally and logically and make some excellent points!
My opinion regarding you guys hasn't changed but your comments here are not in line with the rationale of the discussions which have taken place....
The main thrust regarding Bowyer is the effect he is going to have on relationships and camaraderie with the rest of the Team....
If the relationship with Dyer had become so bad that Dyer didn't even want to include Bowyer in the game what does that tell you?
Bowyer is an excellent footballer but his influence created a situation where Dyer was not prepared to pass the ball to him and Bowyer was prepared to fight....
It is hard enough to play against the opposition without involving your team mates!
You may say that was Dyer's decision but the influence must have come from Bowyer!
Ask yourselves two questions:
Why has Bowyer with all his talent never been part of a successful Team?
Why do you think this pattern will change if he joins the Blues?
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hughesie
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in response to your 2 questions bluebird:

1. he hasn't 'won' anything, but then there are many many footballers that never have won anything. having said that he was an integral part of a succesful leeds side that had they not gone into financial problems they probably would have won the league with bowyer integral to that.

2. i dont know if he will change at blues, and he probably wont. however, john hartson kicked eyal berkovic in the head during training, not even in the heat of the game!! He rightly left west ham, buut has ot been involved in anything since.

dyer and bowyer might just not have got on as people full stop. i might be wrong, and it could have been more deep seated than that, no one really knows. however, that is not to say that it will be the same as at blues. if you look at his record during the last 10 years as a pro it is the only player he has 'publically' fallen out with.

i agree with you if his disruption was a major issue before but there is very little evidence of this in the past, and if there is more evidence of this then i apologise for that.

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Just been reading the unofficial Blues site where this petition originated from and it seems that they tipped off the Mirror on its existence and they have contacted Carlton tv and a few other news stations who are in the process of interviewing them for a story :o

Now although i did sign the petition, i have to say that this is taking it a step too far. To tip off the papers and tv stations regarding this matter is extreme measures and will not portray the club in a very good light.
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StAndrews4Eva
Jun 15 2005, 01:37 PM
Just been reading the unofficial Blues site where this petition originated from and it seems that they tipped off the Mirror on its existence and they have contacted Carlton tv and a few other news stations who are in the process of interviewing them for a story :o

Now although i did sign the petition, i have to say that this is taking it a step too far. To tip off the papers and tv stations regarding this matter is extreme measures and will not portray the club in a very good light.

ST Andrews,

I consider you one of the more rational and sensible posters on this board. I enjoy reading what you write.

But youve missed the mark this time. Tipping off the media happens every day, especially as in the this case the whole idea is to get across the message that they don't want Bowyer.

What better way to do it?

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Jmackay
Jun 15 2005, 02:44 PM
StAndrews4Eva
Jun 15 2005, 01:37 PM
Just been reading the unofficial Blues site where this petition originated from and it seems that they tipped off the Mirror on its existence and they have contacted Carlton tv and a few other news stations who are in the process of interviewing them for a story :o

Now although i did sign the petition, i have to say that this is taking it a step too far. To tip off the papers and tv stations regarding this matter is extreme measures and will not portray the club in a very good light.

ST Andrews,

I consider you one of the more rational and sensible posters on this board. I enjoy reading what you write.

But youve missed the mark this time. Tipping off the media happens every day, especially as in the this case the whole idea is to get across the message that they don't want Bowyer.

What better way to do it?

To be honest i just thought that the petition would be, as it did actually state, just presented to the board and kept within the club itself. Niavely maybe, but it seemed in good faith.

I agree what you are saying that this would be the best way of achieving publicity but surely no-one would want the club to receive negative publicity like this? Saying that Sully is a master at dealing with negative publicaity as he has had to do so all his career.

Me, sensible :o dont let my husband hear you say that <_<
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Jmackay
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Jun 15 2005, 01:49 PM


Me, sensible :o dont let my husband hear you say that <_<

Promise I'll never mention it. ;)
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blueblood
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Lets make a petition to stop the club moving forward <_< , thats what you are doing, he will move us forward and although i dont appluad his personality and what hehas got up to, i dont care as long as it stays off the field and he does the business.
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hughesie Posted on Jun 15 2005, 09:53 AM
sadly though proccy i think it has been made clear by many that it is one rule for bowyer and one rule for pennant

hughesie and proccy....
You are two of a number of people on this Forum who's opinion I respect....
You normally think very rationally and logically and make some excellent points!
My opinion regarding you guys hasn't changed but your comments here are not in line with the rationale of the discussions which have taken place....
The main thrust regarding Bowyer is the effect he is going to have on relationships and camaraderie with the rest of the Team....
If the relationship with Dyer had become so bad that Dyer didn't even want to include Bowyer in the game what does that tell you?
Bowyer is an excellent footballer but his influence created a situation where Dyer was not prepared to pass the ball to him and Bowyer was prepared to fight....
It is hard enough to play against the opposition without involving your team mates!
You may say that was Dyer's decision but the influence must have come from Bowyer!
Ask yourselves two questions:
Why has Bowyer with all his talent never been part of a successful Team?
Why do you think this pattern will change if he joins the Blues?

bluebird, thanks for the kind comment. i too respect your postings and general views. as i do of most folk on here.
if i've misread anything i apologise, and i confess to not reading the entire thread.

however, trying to keep it short, i think bowyer would be an asset to our team, having been an international. you're right he hasn't won anything but, as hughsie says, the vast majority of players don't. i actually think dyer is as big a nob as bowyer, if not bigger, after all, he is the one who set up all these "roasting" sessions in london, and also recently nearly killed someone whilst writing off his ferrari and then leaving the scene. not exactly clever.
to answer you two questions, which is only fair ;

1/ he has been in the semi's of european champs league, finished 3rd and 4th in prem with leeds, so although not winning things has been successful
2/ his pattern will change because sb will force the change or let him go. he stood by savage long enough (too long?) when all his shennaigans were going off. and emerged from it all with credit. i also think bowyer would be joining a team of down-to-earth close knit bunch of lads, not a bunch of ferrari crashing playboys that newcastle had become.
i also believe he has the fight to fully replace savage, and the goals and drive to galvanise our midfield. i dont like the bloke. i do love blues......
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The only thing I hold against Lee Bowyer is his stupidity!

I mean, 11 Vile players on the pitch and he chooses to punch Keiron Dyer.
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